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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:45:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison: Foster care is equally as important as any other system which provides a positive environment for a child when they cannot be with their parents or biological family. I hope all goes well with you Alison and you are able to continue having your little girl as part of your family. We&#039;ll be beginning our journey down the PC path at the end of the year.

Jane: Thanks for sharing, this page has been a really popular one for people searching for more information on PC so I am happy to see everyone able to find out more first hand stories from PC parents :) I also hope your journey to have your PC order granted goes quickly and smoothly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison: Foster care is equally as important as any other system which provides a positive environment for a child when they cannot be with their parents or biological family. I hope all goes well with you Alison and you are able to continue having your little girl as part of your family. We&#8217;ll be beginning our journey down the PC path at the end of the year.</p>
<p>Jane: Thanks for sharing, this page has been a really popular one for people searching for more information on PC so I am happy to see everyone able to find out more first hand stories from PC parents :) I also hope your journey to have your PC order granted goes quickly and smoothly.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Alison</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 04:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi to all
  Would just like to say that I am a foster carer and it should not be knocked, as I am now going through a whole lot of red tape because the little girl with which we have had from 3 weeks of age to 18months, is going onto a permanent order and we want her to stay with us. We have to go through accreditation again to become a permanent carer. You would think if a child has been with you for 18months and is loved by all the family it would be straight forward. So I think fc,pc are equally important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi to all<br />
  Would just like to say that I am a foster carer and it should not be knocked, as I am now going through a whole lot of red tape because the little girl with which we have had from 3 weeks of age to 18months, is going onto a permanent order and we want her to stay with us. We have to go through accreditation again to become a permanent carer. You would think if a child has been with you for 18months and is loved by all the family it would be straight forward. So I think fc,pc are equally important.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Jane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 09:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I are are the perm carer&#039;s of a gorgeous, yet troubled girl who has been in our care for 2 years. 

We are currently stil in the process of waiting for a Permanent Care Order to be granted.  There have been many delays along the way.

We would highly recommend Permanent Care for the explicit purpose of building a family, and supporting a child who would otherwise &#039;float&#039; around in a foster care system.  We would however prefer that it be adoption as per the UK &amp; US, because dealing with the governmental agencies are difficult because they don&#039;t have a framework for permanent care, whereas foster care &amp; adoption are well trodden paths in the &#039;system&#039;.

We would also say that the legal system is a tricky thing to navigate, and you should not rely on DHS&#039; legal persons to present your families point of view.  If you are entering into contested situations with more than one party - seek your own legal advice!

The most often occurring contest is the number of accesses to be granted.  In our case the birthmother is seeking monthly access.  DHS are seeking six accesses per year with the birthmother.  In our case DHS is working with what they think they can get, not what is sustainable in the long term for the child - given that other parties are wanting separate access arrangements to our daughter as well.

The best thing about every day, is hearing my daughter say &quot;I Love you Mummy&quot;.  No matter how challenging the day is/has been, those three words in her girl voice make me feel like I can take on the world.  

My best advice, get educated, and really listen when being educated about some of the difficulties &amp; challenges that you can face as a permanent carer and you will be well on your way to having a realistic view of Permanent Care.  And keep in mind - there is a process, but the outcomes for the child/children is what is important.  

Cheers,

Jane</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I are are the perm carer&#8217;s of a gorgeous, yet troubled girl who has been in our care for 2 years. </p>
<p>We are currently stil in the process of waiting for a Permanent Care Order to be granted.  There have been many delays along the way.</p>
<p>We would highly recommend Permanent Care for the explicit purpose of building a family, and supporting a child who would otherwise &#8216;float&#8217; around in a foster care system.  We would however prefer that it be adoption as per the UK &amp; US, because dealing with the governmental agencies are difficult because they don&#8217;t have a framework for permanent care, whereas foster care &amp; adoption are well trodden paths in the &#8216;system&#8217;.</p>
<p>We would also say that the legal system is a tricky thing to navigate, and you should not rely on DHS&#8217; legal persons to present your families point of view.  If you are entering into contested situations with more than one party &#8211; seek your own legal advice!</p>
<p>The most often occurring contest is the number of accesses to be granted.  In our case the birthmother is seeking monthly access.  DHS are seeking six accesses per year with the birthmother.  In our case DHS is working with what they think they can get, not what is sustainable in the long term for the child &#8211; given that other parties are wanting separate access arrangements to our daughter as well.</p>
<p>The best thing about every day, is hearing my daughter say &#8220;I Love you Mummy&#8221;.  No matter how challenging the day is/has been, those three words in her girl voice make me feel like I can take on the world.  </p>
<p>My best advice, get educated, and really listen when being educated about some of the difficulties &amp; challenges that you can face as a permanent carer and you will be well on your way to having a realistic view of Permanent Care.  And keep in mind &#8211; there is a process, but the outcomes for the child/children is what is important.  </p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Jane</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 08:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Anna, yuk what a tricky situation you are in. I am by no means any expert on PC but I do follow closely as I can the processes and any changes to the system as it has always been my desire to add to our family. You&#039;ll need to get professional advice as I am unaware of any clauses which cover internet or written communication. 

It&#039;s equally tough because she has reached the wonderful era that is the teenage years and along with all the biological changes their intellect is often racing to catch up so they don&#039;t have the ability to predict future outcomes as us as adults and parents (often but not always) do, so you saying that her contact with her biological mother is not for her good - won&#039;t be understood, its her &#039;right&#039; to talk to her etc (as I am sure you&#039;ve probably already heard her say! :)

It would also be worth having a chat to the workers at the PC agency (hoping they are approachable and informative) as they might be also able to help you negotiate through this without having to go back to court. But in the end, it&#039;s up to us as parents to do everything we can to protect our children from things we know are going to be harmful to them, even when they don&#039;t understand or resent us for doing so until they reach an age when they are able to make their own decisions and learn from their own mistakes. 

Hope it goes well. Rose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Anna, yuk what a tricky situation you are in. I am by no means any expert on PC but I do follow closely as I can the processes and any changes to the system as it has always been my desire to add to our family. You&#8217;ll need to get professional advice as I am unaware of any clauses which cover internet or written communication. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s equally tough because she has reached the wonderful era that is the teenage years and along with all the biological changes their intellect is often racing to catch up so they don&#8217;t have the ability to predict future outcomes as us as adults and parents (often but not always) do, so you saying that her contact with her biological mother is not for her good &#8211; won&#8217;t be understood, its her &#8216;right&#8217; to talk to her etc (as I am sure you&#8217;ve probably already heard her say! :)</p>
<p>It would also be worth having a chat to the workers at the PC agency (hoping they are approachable and informative) as they might be also able to help you negotiate through this without having to go back to court. But in the end, it&#8217;s up to us as parents to do everything we can to protect our children from things we know are going to be harmful to them, even when they don&#8217;t understand or resent us for doing so until they reach an age when they are able to make their own decisions and learn from their own mistakes. </p>
<p>Hope it goes well. Rose.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jan 2012 02:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rose

I have a real problem, 16 years ago when we were given a permanent care order in Victoria ...... FACEBOOK DIDN&#039;T EXIST!

My 14 year old daughter is in constant communication (access) with her biological mother on Facebook, although the order said she could see her 3 times a year under my supervision.

Her mother also is on facebook with all her friends and follows everything she says and makes comments.  My daughters life is getting totally stuffed up.

Have you any knowledge about the legalities of this? in relation to the Permanent Care Order on access?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rose</p>
<p>I have a real problem, 16 years ago when we were given a permanent care order in Victoria &#8230;&#8230; FACEBOOK DIDN&#8217;T EXIST!</p>
<p>My 14 year old daughter is in constant communication (access) with her biological mother on Facebook, although the order said she could see her 3 times a year under my supervision.</p>
<p>Her mother also is on facebook with all her friends and follows everything she says and makes comments.  My daughters life is getting totally stuffed up.</p>
<p>Have you any knowledge about the legalities of this? in relation to the Permanent Care Order on access?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Rose 2 (a different one)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose 2 (a different one)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2011 02:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John&#039;s comments could have been mine... we also have a darling little girl who came to us through PC. If she was in another state she&#039;d be in the uncertainty of FC. Thanks goodness at least PC is here in Vic... and yes we are her mummy and daddy, and our parents are her nana and grandads... I too wish adoption could be be imposed by judges where there really is no hope of the kids having a good future with their bio parents. From Rose 2 (I&#039;m different to the original Rose!)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John&#8217;s comments could have been mine&#8230; we also have a darling little girl who came to us through PC. If she was in another state she&#8217;d be in the uncertainty of FC. Thanks goodness at least PC is here in Vic&#8230; and yes we are her mummy and daddy, and our parents are her nana and grandads&#8230; I too wish adoption could be be imposed by judges where there really is no hope of the kids having a good future with their bio parents. From Rose 2 (I&#8217;m different to the original Rose!)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.rose.id.au/opinions/permanent-care-in-victoria.html/comment-page-1#comment-689</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Oct 2011 10:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the judge said they will never send an 11 year old back ih they don&#039;t wont to go back it is so great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the judge said they will never send an 11 year old back ih they don&#8217;t wont to go back it is so great.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 09:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks rose</description>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Rose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 08:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jess, thanks for writing with your opinion. Discussion is a good thing :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jess, thanks for writing with your opinion. Discussion is a good thing :)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Permanent Care in Victoria by Jess</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Oct 2011 06:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi i am an 11 year old girl who is in permanent care i think it is unfair i have been through all of it i think we should have the right to say we want to be adopted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi i am an 11 year old girl who is in permanent care i think it is unfair i have been through all of it i think we should have the right to say we want to be adopted.</p>
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